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Thank you for your analyses here. I also consider myself a loyal LDS member. As D&C 88 states, the church government has a right to enact unrighteousness, which can be appealed by majority of qrms. The Firs Pres and Twelve Apostles holds the authority. So whether 132 is true doctrine or not - they hold the keys, and thats a significant fact personally. At this point I believe they simply just don't know all teh facts and are doing the best they can.<br /><br />As far as the authenticity of 132, it is a personal pursuit of mine to find out. I def have doubts that Joseph Smith received it in its entirety or practiced it. I hope one day that we can have more light shed on its entirety. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-46488674021957198892017-06-21T16:59:01.472-05:002017-06-21T16:59:01.472-05:00Great post Dan... I think you are right on!Great post Dan... I think you are right on!SkyBirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06905136228117637832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-5932677404238016902017-01-24T21:03:05.792-06:002017-01-24T21:03:05.792-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Heavens Morsels for Hungry Soulshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12894268699389254552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-29522631299699784662017-01-24T21:02:03.663-06:002017-01-24T21:02:03.663-06:00P.D.
The comments made previously were well though...P.D.<br />The comments made previously were well thought out and expressed. I commend the study, research and evident spiritual confirmations about this principle which have been delineated herein. Without giving my ‘yea’ or ‘nay’ on the subject, I would like to offer additional information, not to counter what has been said, but to offer all who read this the following: “God has told us through His prophets that we are free to choose between good and evil. “And the right to choose between good and evil and to act for ourselves is called agency.”-- Gospel Principles <br />In doing this, I am not championing the one or the other. I am doing it partially to help me understand things as I read and study further to amplify my knowledge of the subject, so I can make an informed choice, as I also pray about the truth or falsity of what we have record of being said and written on the subject, and the conclusion that the majority of the comments here are coming to. <br />With that preface, let me begin.<br />Jacob: 2<br />22 And were it not that I must speak unto you concerning a grosser crime, my heart would rejoice exceedingly because of you.<br /> 23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.<br /> 24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.<br /> 25 … I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph. <br />26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.<br /> 27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;<br /> 28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.<br /> 29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.<br /> 30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.<br /> 31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.<br />32 …the cries of the fair daughters of this people,… shall come up unto me against the men of my people,<br />33…they shall not lead away captive the daughters of my people because of their tenderness…<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-58080275879689158122016-09-13T13:55:41.540-05:002016-09-13T13:55:41.540-05:00I felt the spirit of Truth in this point, especial...I felt the spirit of Truth in this point, especially the part about God raising up His family. I had never thought of it in those terms. It's a beautiful thought and insight. Thank you.matt lohrkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05159067604487338024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-61420497749905881272016-04-26T23:01:31.821-05:002016-04-26T23:01:31.821-05:00Dan--
Great post! Thanks.Dan--<br /><br />Great post! Thanks.JSDefenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11841376815958094645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-20510869841649459032016-04-19T16:14:06.288-05:002016-04-19T16:14:06.288-05:00[continuing]
Notice that this “seed” spoken of in...[continuing]<br /><br />Notice that this “seed” spoken of in verse 30 is the same seed of Christ that Abinadi discusses in Mosiah 15:10-13: “And now I say unto you, who shall declare his generation? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for sin he shall see his seed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed? Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord—I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the kingdom of God. For these are they whose sins he has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed? Yea, and are not the prophets, every one that has opened his mouth to prophesy, that has not fallen into transgression, I mean all the holy prophets ever since the world began? I say unto you that they are his seed”.<br /><br />Going back to Jacob 2:30, notice that God says nothing about raising a large quantity of seed, which is what is unfairly inferred by the traditional reading of the verse. The notion that polygamy is required in order to produce a large population is is an unwarranted assumption. <br />Additionally, the idea that polygamy is sometimes permitted by God in order for righteous people to have lots of offspring is inconsistent with the complete lack of confirmed children of Joseph Smith through alleged polygamous relationships.<br /><br />Keeping all of this information in mind, read Jacob 2:30 again: “For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things." If I were to translate it in modern English, I might say, “If I, the Lord, will make you part of my family, my commandments must be obeyed. If my commandments are not obeyed, you will undoubtedly continue in the same pattern of wickedness of previous apostates.”<br /><br />Jacob preached against polygamy and had a difficult time doing so because the people warped the words of the scriptures and used them to justify their abominable acts. Many Mormons continue in that same wicked tradition by doing the exact same thing - warping the meaning of the scriptures to justify polygamy, even if the polygamy in question is past (and potentially future) and not present. The importance of understanding this chapter correctly should become quite clear, knowing that the Nephites so easily succumbed to false interpretations of scriptures dealing with sexual sin. Diligent prayer and study, independent of tradition, ought to be the tools we use to understand these things.<br /><br />Regardless of what people believe other books of scripture and historical accounts say about the appropriateness of polygamy, make no mistake that the Book of Mormon is decidedly anti-polygamy and makes no exceptions. Joseph Smith said, “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.” Therefore, the teachings of the Book of Mormon ought to inform our beliefs a great deal.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10475072239381025179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-56340164273779079902016-04-19T16:13:41.946-05:002016-04-19T16:13:41.946-05:00[continuing]
Directly after discussing God's ...[continuing]<br /><br />Directly after discussing God's hope for raising up His family, Jacob 2:26 says, “Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.” God says that to become a righteous branch, the people have to cease doing what the people of old did (the polygamy referenced earlier in the chapter). Jacob 2:27 says, “For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none”. Here the Lord gives the commandment and it is very explicit and clear: A man should have a maximum of one wife. Jacob 2:29 says, “Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.” The cursings are described further in Jacob 2:33 and Jacob 3:3-4.<br /><br />Right after warning the people of potential cursings, in Jacob 2:30 the Lord leaves the people no alternative to obedience if they want to be raised up as His family: “For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people". Here the Lord restates the goal: raising up the family of God, or the righteous seed He just talked about in verse 25. God tells the people that if they want to become His righteous seed or branch they absolutely need to listen to Him and obey the commandments He is telling them right now. God makes it very clear that the people need to obey all His commandments by saying "I will command my people". Notice He does not say, "I will command my people to disregard previous commandments". He is simply saying that any people who want to be His righteous seed need to listen to all the commandments of the Lord, without exception.<br /><br />The end of verse 30 says, “...otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.” If the people do not obey, God is warning them that they will naturally tend towards “these things”. But what are “these things”? If a verse uses the generic term, “things”, without explicitly defining what those things are, our duty is to examine the full context in order to properly identify those “things” so that we may avoid making unwarranted assumptions. Fortunately for us, “these things” are mentioned multiple times in the chapter. These are the things that have been written concerning polygamy, specifically in regards to David and Solomon. Jacob 2:23-24 says, “This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son. Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.” Verse 34 says, “ye have done these things which ye ought not to have done.” So how do the people avoid doing those awful things that have been written about? God told the people that He has to command them if they want to be His seed (and thus avoid evil). Otherwise, if the people don't listen to God's commandments and rebel against Him, they will naturally apostatize and continue to make the same severe mistake of hearkening to the distorted interpretations of scriptures and records - those “things” that have caused so much wickedness and so much heartache among the Nephites.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10475072239381025179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-18794197533215129942016-04-19T16:13:04.732-05:002016-04-19T16:13:04.732-05:00The Book of Mormon unequivocally condemns the prac...The Book of Mormon unequivocally condemns the practice of polygamy. Here is a sampling. Jacob 1:15 says, “And now it came to pass that the people of Nephi, under the reign of the second king, began to grow hard in their hearts, and indulge themselves somewhat in wicked practices, such as like unto David of old desiring many wives and concubines, and also Solomon, his son.” Jacob 2:24 says, “David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.” Jacob 2:27 says, “Hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none”. Jacob 3:5 says that the Lamanites “have not forgotten the commandment of the Lord, which was given unto our father—that they should have save it were one wife, and concubines they should have none”. Mosiah 11:2 says that King Noah “did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness.” <br /><br />Never at any point does the Book of Mormon allow polygamy. Many people, including myself on multiple occasions, have been told that Jacob 2:30 is a loophole that allows polygamy under certain circumstances ordained by the Lord. This post is written to disabuse everyone of that notion. The following is what Jacob 2:30 actually says about polygamy when we disregard what we may want it to say about polygamy. We must allow the text and its entire context to inform us.<br /><br />Jacob 2:25 says, "Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph."<br /><br />God uses the terms, “branch”, “fruit”, and “loins”. These are genealogical and familial terms and we ought to anticipate the further use of such terms to describe the righteous branch the Lord wants to “raise up”. God is describing His goal: to raise up the people as a righteous branch of Joseph unto Himself. In other words, God is trying to raise up a righteous seed, even the family of God. This is one of the major themes of Jacob’s ministry, as evidenced by Jacob 5, Zenos’ allegory of the tame olive tree, which Jacob makes his own by declaring that it “must surely come to pass” (Jacob 6:1). Jacob 5 is all about raising up the family of God through covenant Israel.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10475072239381025179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-20190294830073949342016-03-23T14:22:55.669-05:002016-03-23T14:22:55.669-05:00Walter,
The comment you purport to have been said...Walter,<br /><br />The comment you purport to have been said at GC saddens me greatly... that any women would be willing to accept 10% of a man... that's an awful thing to say in any circumstance. I'm sure the context had to do with church callings, which is still no excuse. Nothing is more important than your spouse.<br /><br />It's my great hope that women would have enough self-love and self-respect to settle for nothing less than what they deserve, instead of feeling incomplete without a partner... being desperate enough to marry someone who they yet know will not have unconditional love for them, who will not give in return their whole mind, body & soul.<br /><br />Walter, if your wife is warm to the concept of polygamy, I fear you may have not shown her true love. Any one that knows true love will know polygamy (adultery) is the most evil & abominable form of spousal abuse that has ever existed. I pray that you will come to think this over, repent & explain to her the evils of such things. 7 women will cleave to 1 man, yet again in the last day. The women desperate, the men as evil as ever. But the followers of Jesus Christ will be in Zion, where the law of the gospel (D&C 42) will be lived, which mandates monogamy and ONLY monogamy, with the commandment to live in marriage in love.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02156907670953604531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-61887267102598710402016-03-17T20:19:55.423-05:002016-03-17T20:19:55.423-05:00My wife says she could accept the idea of polygamy...My wife says she could accept the idea of polygamy. Do you remember the talk by a sister during general conference when she said to the effect: I would rather have 10% of a 100% man than 100% of a 10% man? Interesting implications here... With the way society is going, I can readily see the day when 7 women will want/need to marry 1 man because they want to to be loved by a man and perhaps even have children and there are not enough men who want to to marry because they are not interested in women for one reason or the otherWalter Edward Balinski.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04627420006362768089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-79793675386017764532015-08-21T10:29:16.442-05:002015-08-21T10:29:16.442-05:00This statement was fabricated by Brigham Young'...This statement was fabricated by Brigham Young's polygamist society to pull Joseph Smith's name into the pro-polygamy camp. It is a lie. (The Contributor LDS Church was published between 1879 and 1896). Joseph Smith NEVER fell into the polygamy doctrine but preached against it all his life.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15796907165922111874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-20367762872283340022015-07-09T16:26:29.574-05:002015-07-09T16:26:29.574-05:00In my desire to receive an answer, I feel the need...In my desire to receive an answer, I feel the need to establish a “moral foundation” from the teaching of the scriptures.<br />Who Started Polygamy?<br />It wasn’t until sin made man fall (Gen. 4:15-23) that polygamy occurs. Cain was cursed, Lamech is a descendent of Cain and the first to practice polygamy as far as we know from the scriptues. The first time polygamous relationship is found in the Bible is with a thriving rebellious society in sin; when a murderer named “Lamech [a descendant of Cain] took for himself two wives” (Gen.4:19, 23).<br />The same Godly pattern of one man and one wife was lived by Noah and his family when the race of man was to start anew again. At the time of the Ark (Gen. 7:7), Noah took his one wife into the ark, all his son’s took one wife; God called Noah’s family righteous and pure. If polygamy were ordained of God, it would have made sense that Noah and his sons would have taken additional wives with them to repopulate the earth faster from the effects of the flood and cataclysm.<br />It seems to me that polygamy is wrong and never has been “Gods” will from the beginning of creation. It is man in his fallen state who has corrupted the “law.” To me “God” is a moral God and teaches moral concepts, which began with Adam and Eve and then again with Noah. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15796907165922111874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-65414293084068294172015-07-09T16:25:10.221-05:002015-07-09T16:25:10.221-05:00My foundation for the God I worship! Why Polygamy...My foundation for the God I worship! Why Polygamy?<br />Since the Church did the essays on polygamy:<br />https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng<br />https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints?lang=eng<br />https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-and-families-in-early-utah?lang=eng<br />It has caused me to consider what President Gordon B Hinckley said on the Larry King interview that aired September 8, 1998 saying, concerning polygamy:<br />Gordon B. Hinckley: I condemn it, yes, as a practice, because I think it is not doctrinal. It is not legal. And this church takes the position that we will abide by the law. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, magistrates in honoring, obeying and sustaining the law. <br />He said, “I think it is not doctrinal.” I was left to pray and ponder about that statement and search the scriptures that the Prophet Joseph had when he was on the earth and these are my best conclusions regarding polygamy personally without considering any second hand reports or opinions of others and why I came to this conclusion. This would have excluded section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants at that time, since it was put in 8 years after his death by Brigham Young, then acting president of the Church.<br />We may assume this or that about “God” and how to worship Him. My greatest desire is to see things through “Gods” perspective and not my perspective. All I have right now for my foundation is the scriptures and my interpretation of them and what visions and dreams I have had that help me to understand His perspective. To me there is a huge difference between “believing in God” and “becoming like God.” I know many examples of people who say they “believe in God,” yet there actions show the “natural man” has taken over or is in control of their lifestyle. Some follow the “letter of the law” so rigidly that the “spirit of the law” has fled. The “form and structure” of any law, I believe is there to guide us into the “spirit of the law.” It is my belief that the “spirit of the law” ought to be our foundation back to God through “holiness” of a moral character. <br />“Under the guidance of the Prophets it was seen that what distinguished Jehovah from the gods of the heathen was His personal character. The word holy therefore came to refer to moral character (Lev. 11:44; 19:2; 21:8; Isa. 6:3–8). Israel must be holy in character because the God of Israel was holy (Jer. 7:4–7; see also Matt. 5:48). The Law of Holiness (Lev. 17–26) shows how the attempt was made by means of ceremonial observances to secure this holiness of character. The attempt failed because the later Jews observed the letter and neglected the spirit; they attached more importance to the ceremonial than to the moral; and the result was a lapse into formalism. But in the writings of the Prophets it is clearly laid down that the value of worship in the eyes of God depends upon the personal character of the worshipper.” (See LDS Bible Dictionary, Holiness) <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15796907165922111874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-23453428884880647342015-02-07T05:33:36.905-06:002015-02-07T05:33:36.905-06:00People don't understand why no polygamy in the...People don't understand why no polygamy in the Book of Mormon. Simply... it was not needed.<br /><br />Raising a righteous people or seed.. was done because those whom God wanted to be a righteous people were in the midst of wickedness of other nations and peoples. In the Book of Mormon.. there were none..<br /><br />All the people who were in the promised land had already been brought there by the Lord. There was no foreigners on that land.<br /><br />Remember.. if you really read the Book of Mormon.. you would know that they were upon an island. Surrounded by a sea on the west and east... and north and south. No way off that island until Hagoth built ships for both Lamanites and Nephites to leave on and sail north.<br /><br />And... as far as Emma goes. Anyone who thinks that Emma had it in her heart to agree to polygamy is sadly mistaken. That is the reason for God's scolding her regarding it even though she did participate in those marriages of other women to Joseph. God knew how she really felt and her acting as if all was ok.. was really not. Her "gift" to Joseph was a very reluctant one and therefore.. not accepted by God as such.MrNiromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17963388782323242196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-5889827334397522592014-11-14T13:08:42.892-06:002014-11-14T13:08:42.892-06:00anonymous 8-20-13
actually theres 2 skools of thot...anonymous 8-20-13<br />actually theres 2 skools of thot, on zipporah n the ethiopian gal<br />yers of course, which is totally probable, the other bein that zipporah was the ethiopian gal mentioned by miriam<br />cuz the word thats in the original bible txt is "cushite"<br />cushite was used 2 describe a few geographical areas, 2 of which were ethiopia n midian<br />zipporah n her dad jethro, livd in midian<br />.<br />http://www.wacriswell.com/sermons/1958/moses-and-the-ethiopian-woman/<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08303644480563971274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-87326396107429600862014-11-14T12:18:31.169-06:002014-11-14T12:18:31.169-06:00hola, troley troll
im lds n i dont ignore 132 but ...hola, troley troll<br />im lds n i dont ignore 132 but acknowledge it as deceit used by b.young, 2 convince the saints that j.smith practiced polygamy<br />im lds n dont look 4wrd 2 polygamy in this "mormon" heaven, of which u speak<br />so y dont u layoff the redbull n pixie stix n dial it back a few notches, ay pablito de bandito<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08303644480563971274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-26307533217398745702014-11-14T12:00:59.987-06:002014-11-14T12:00:59.987-06:00hi troll
kno u r a troll cuz posting anomonously i...hi troll<br />kno u r a troll cuz posting anomonously is the cowardly troll thing 2 do<br />also its evident, u didnt even read jsdefenders article but scrolled str8 dwn 2 comments w yer lil agenda<br />that said, it mattereth not 2 me wut u believe cuz youve an axe 2 grind<br />---<br />thats very interestin bout j.smith borrowin the tree of life vision from his pops<br />of course u can totally prove this conjecture, rite?<br />its ez peazey..jus copy n paste the link that substantiates this assertion<br />u kno..so we dont think yer jus a crazy loon, making ridiculous claims<br />---<br />also im evva so curious 2 learn which things in the BofM, r contrary 2 the teachings of Christ<br />again jus copy n paste links or take the time 2 list'em so we can hav a sensible debate, ay pawcha<br />i do agree w yer assertion that neither the catholics nor baptists, were given the priesthood<br />---<br />finally im bout 2 blo yer troll mind by proving the BofM is an authentic ancient record, in its very 1st chptr<br />1nephi 1: 4..<br />"For it came to pass in the commencement of the first year of the reign of Zedekiah, king of Judah, (my father, Lehi, having dwelt at Jerusalem in all his days); and in that same year there came many prophets, prophesying unto the people that they must repent, or the great city Jerusalem must be destroyed"<br />.<br />later in 3nephi 1: 1, states that lehis fam left jerusalem 600yrs prior 2 the sign of the sun goin down yet it remained lite as if it was still day, signifyin the birth of Christ<br />now heres the incredible thing..<br />the precise dates of zedekiahs reign were unknown 2 the westrn world cuz the OT contained no dates<br />20th cntry bible scholars could only guestimate these dates w eastern records of reigns of ancient kings coupled w astrological records<br />of course the farmboy, j.smith had nun of this info at his disposal<br />it wasnt til 1896 that babylonian tablets were discoverd, containin a precise timeline of nebuchadnezers siege of jerusalem that a precise date of 600bc could b ascribed 2 the commencemnt of king zeds reign<br />furthermore these chronicles werent even pblshd til 1956, over a cntry afta j.smiths martydom<br />so do u see where im goin, nacho de burracho?<br />if j.smith jus made up the BofM, outta the clear blu, then how the honk was he able 2 correctly pin point the begining of old king zeds reign, a cntry b4 it was known 2 the world?<br />check n mate<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_Chronicle<br />see wut i did there, ace?<br />---<br />finally if u had even read jsdefenders article then youd hav no assumption bout j.smiths innocence pertainin 2 polygamy, chief<br />thereby xposing u as a pathetic troll<br />ive no tollerance 4 skoosh la dooshes like yerself <br /> <br /><br /><br /> <br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08303644480563971274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-828488812725731323.post-513592696023729522014-11-14T11:13:48.753-06:002014-11-14T11:13:48.753-06:00Anonymous 11/14/14--
Thank you for your comment. ...Anonymous 11/14/14--<br /><br />Thank you for your comment. You made a very bold statement that Joseph "lied about almost everything else." How do you back that up? What proof do you have? Enlighten us.JSDefenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11841376815958094645noreply@blogger.com